Ford V Ferrari | Oscars Discussion | Film Club

Ford V Ferrari | Oscars Discussion | Film Club

– Hey folks, I’m Alex Dowd. – And I’m Katie Rife. – Today we’re going to be
talking about another one of this years best picture nominees. It’s James Mangold’s
historical sports drama, “Ford V Ferrari.” – Welcome to Film Club. (slow jazz music)
(camera reel whirring) All right, Dowd, and then we’ve got another movie. You know, the movies we’ve
been talking about today, “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood,” “Joker.” One could argue that the
protagonist of the film … The protagonist in the film are male, and perhaps a lot of their fans are male, and I like “male” movies
a lot of the time. So I liked this one, which
is the dad movie of 2019. (laughing) “Ford V Ferrari” is the film. – [Alex] What did you say
of this is a dad movie then you guess you’re a dad? – I guess I’m a dad. (laughing)
Call me dad, because I enjoyed this film very much. It’s directed by James
Mangold, who made “Logan.” It stars Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby, who he’s a stop car race driver. It’s 1966 in California. – Retired. – Yes, he’s retiring. – He’s been forced medically
to retire from the sport. – Mm-hm. He gets approached by the heads
of the Ford Motor Company, who are entering into what
you could really just call, like to be crude you could call
it a dick measuring contest. – [Alex] Yeah. – With Ferrari in Italy I believe over who can make the
fastest car in the world. – Totally. – He hires a race car driver
from England named Ken Miles to help develop this car. After some trial and
error, stops and starts, they take it to the Le
Mans race in France, which is a famous long
distance race, and– – It’s 24 hours, right? – Yes, 24 hours straight of racing. – Which is insane, by the way. – It’s absolutely insane. – It’s very dangerous. – It’s so dangerous. You’re riding in some
sort of experimental car with a motor that could take
off into the air at any moment and you’re on no sleep. No, it’s extremely dangerous. (laughing)
– Totally, yeah. Which it’s something
the movie acknowledges. – Yeah.
– I really like that about it. I actually think the racing
scenes in this are terrific. – [Katie] Oh, the racing scenes
are very good in this, yeah. – [Alex] Mangold really gets the speed. – [Katie] Yes. – But also there’s a coherence to them. He knows how to position
the camera in such a way that we have a good
sense of where a car is in relation to other cars, but he’s also getting the
velocity and he’s getting … The film opens with
Carroll Shelby in Le Mans before he’s forced into retirement, and it’s raining, and it’s almost this apocalyptic scene. – Yeah. – It really gives you a
sense right out the gate of this pretty long
movie just how dangerous this particular pass time is. – Yes, I’m so relieved
that we are coming out from the shadow of Michael Bay, which hung over action
films all throughout … This isn’t really an action film, it’s just got action scenes in it. The clarity is being prioritized
in action scenes again, and Mangold does do a very good job of you’ll have scenes where there’s six cars coming down the track but you know which one
our hero is in always. – Totally, yep. Absolutely. – Which is difficult to do. I would argue that the
direction is quite good in this. – I think it’s very good. I think Mangold can be
a little inconsistent. We were talking about “Logan” before when we were talking about “Joker,” I like that movie a lot. That’s, I think, one of the
better modern comic book films. I don’t always think
it’s terribly well shot. I don’t think all of the action, even though there’s a ton of very violent action in that film, I actually don’t think all
the action is that great. But the car racing scenes
in this really impressed me in a way that I don’t think
anything that Mangold has done, he has his merits as a filmmaker, I don’t think anything he’s
done technically as a director has impressed me as much as those scenes. – Yes, I agree. Well, in this film in a lot of ways it reminds me of a film
that we were talking about, “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood,”
earlier in the late ’60s. This film reminds me of a
film that would have been made in the Hollywood of the late ’60s. 100% Steve McQueen would have
played the Ken Miles role if this movie had been
made in the late ’60s ’cause Steve McQueen was
into race car driving. He made a movie called “Le Mans” in 1969. – Totally. – It reminded me of a film from the ’60s but with better car racing scenes. – Yeah. – They don’t have to
film them from far away like they used to back then. – You’re right, its values
are old fashioned in a way. – Mm-hm, it is. – This is a movie that
celebrates men at work, something a little Hawksian about that. – And the relationships
that men have at work. – [Alex] With each other, yeah. – With each other, yes. – Because a lot of it is
about the relationship between Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles. They’re placed by Matt
Damon and Christian Bale. I would say of the two performances Bale’s is the bigger one.
– Yes. – It’s kind of the showier one. – Although, I will once
again to bring it back around to “Once Upon a time in Hollywood,” we have two big movie stars doing good ol’ boy accents this year, and while DiCaprio’s
performance was better, I’ll give Damon the edge on the accent. He did a really good job with the accent. – You think he really nailed the accent? That’s cool. – I’ve known some good ol’ boys in my life and they talk like that. (laughing) – [Alex] Bale was very
entertaining in this film. He’s kind of playing a character. He’s not so different than his
character in “The Fighter.” – [Katie] Yeah. – [Alex] He’s this hothead. I think his first scene he
hurls a wrench at Damon. – Oh yeah, his whole thing is– – And almost gets kicked out of the race. – Yeah, his whole– – He’s a man of principle. – Yeah, he doesn’t play by
anybody’s rules but his own. – Yeah, yeah, yeah. – Yeah, he’s one of those guys. – But it’s very fun. A lot of the movie is
just him driving cars yelling things like, “Crikey!” (laughing) “Ya wanker!” Just yelling this.
– Yeah. It’s just really fun, yeah. And the movie has a big
stick it to the man element where the guys at Ford are just dinguses that don’t know anything
about being a man. They think being a man is wearing a suit. Well, guess what? – Right, it’s basically
pitting professionalism against corporate interest. The movie isn’t really about, despite the title, “Ford V Ferrari,” the movie is really Ford
versus real professionals. – Yeah, Carroll and Ken
versus the world basically. – Exactly, yeah. Because over and over again
over the course of the film a lot of it is about the obstacles, one could say that the race really is not the real obstacle that they’re facing, it’s how do we get through to these pig headed executives basically. Josh Lucas plays one of them. Josh Lucas has made a
career out of playing like– (laughing) – [Katie] A stooge. – Yes, stooges you love
to see thwarted, you know? – Uh-huh. – He’s very well cast in that respect. – Yeah. – He’s always the voice of,
“No, you can’t do that,” or, “No, we’re going in
a different direction.” I have to confess, I found that
very rousingly entertaining in an old fashion way.
– Yeah, it’s fun. – Just watching these old school down to earth professionals, they just want to do their job as well as they can is the idea. – But what I enjoyed about it was that it was a film about masculinity that also prioritized being a good dad. Ken has kids and he gets
along well with his wife. She’s just not like a nag here, like, “Why you got to leave to go
repair these cars all the time?” – I know, she’s attracted to
the fact to his line of work. – Yeah, they’re well paired
and they love each other. You see the nagging wife
or maybe the crying wife, sitting at home crying
next to the phone so much that even though the film is very much about men and masculinity I appreciated that you
had a character in it who was a knowledgeable woman. (laughing) – Yeah, no, I think they
thread that needle really well because she is into it too. – Yeah. – She likes racing. It’s one of the things
that attracts her to him. – She knows a lot about cars. – Yup. – Yup. – But she also understands the risks. Again, the movie foregrounds very early on how dangerous this line of work is. She is occasionally has
to be a voice of reason. She’s like, “Listen,
I get why you do this, “I love it too–” – “But you’ve got a kid now.” – “You have a kid now.” – Yeah. – And the movie I think
handles that sensitively and you’re right, she’s never a shrew. – Yeah, which I always appreciate. I like models of masculinity that aren’t overtly toxic and aggressive. I found this to be a
rather wholesome depiction of men and male friendships
and ambition in career and all that kind of stuff. I found it to be a very wholesome
depiction of all of that, which was fun and it added to the old fashioned element of it. I would place it in the ’60s specifically in that transition period, because the kind of stick it to the man individualistic thing is very of that era. – Very much so.
– Yeah. – All right, folks. That’s all the time we have today. Thank you so much for watching. If you are watching this on YouTube please make sure to like and subscribe. – Please. – We’re gonna be back soon talking about more of this
year’s best picture nominees. I think coming up soon we
have episodes on “Parasite” and also “Jo Jo Rabbit.” – While you’re at it, if you’d like to get a complete survey of this year’s best picture
nominees from Film Club we have already filmed
episodes on “The Irishman,” “Marriage Story,” “Little
Women,” and “1917,” so you can find those all on
our YouTube channel as well. – Thanks, folks. – Bye. (slow jazz music)

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  1. This movie has grown on me since watching it. And I am eagerly awaiting its arrival on digital platforms, I think it would further benefit from a second viewing.

    It majorly sucks that it didn't do all that well at the box office. It's puzzling to me why that is. It had great reviews, starred big hollywood stars and han an exciting subject matter. If we don't go watch these movies, they'll stop making them. And that'd be a real shame.

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