Is The Boys’ Satire Out of Date? | The Big Picture

Is The Boys’ Satire Out of Date? | The Big Picture

No! I’m not pushing the scheduled topic ahead
a week ahead to do a show about Spider-Man just because Sony and Disney have decided to negotiate
in the press over licensing rights and use fanboy social media buzz to poke at each
other. Maybe in a few days, right now theres literally
nothing to say but that. Alright, so The Boys is a heavily promoted Amazon Prime series loosely based on a mature-audiences comic book series from Garth Ennis which I
approached with interest and a… certain amount of trepidation also. On the one hand, Ennis is a pretty consistently
good writer of hard, edgy, nasty stuff when he’s on his game – on the other hand, when
he’s off his game he can indeed represent the worst and most self-indulgent side of
the genre and medium, where cheap edgelord provocateur-ism stands in for depth and adolescent
politically-incorrect posturing is passed off as “satire.” And too often, that’s the side that rears
its head when he takes aim at poking the superhero genre, typically ending up with a badly lopsided
ratio of actually interesting observations versus tacky bad-widdle-boy sniping about
his resentment at the sway it holds in the medium. The Boys comic, while it had its moments,
was something like the apotheosis of this; effectively a personal killing-floor for Ennis
to vent his hatred of mainstream Marvel, DC etc set in an alt-reality where superheroes
exist …but as corporate-managed, virulently corrupt, Caligula-esque debauched predators
of those they claim to protect who are covertly resisted only by “The Boys:” a CIA-backed
anti-superhuman black ops team consisting of wisecracking rule-breaking snarly badasses powered by disaffected teenaged boy resentment and the ability to call forth Garth Ennis’ socio-political viewpoints
at will. Like I said, it had it’s moments of inspiration
but for the most part the repeating formula of “superheroes do something murderous and/or
rapey casting a comic-book trope in a negative light for shock value, The Boys do something
similarly transgressive in response, isn’t everything just shit?” was numbing and the
political/philosophical digressions were never as deep as they thought they were. My hope was that the show – in aiming to appeal
to a general audience with a broader swipe at the modern aesthetic of superhero-saturated
pop-culture – would recognize the benefit in skimming off Ennis’ inter-genre resentments
and recognize that “Everyone is an asshole all the time about everything” might make
for good score-settling but good drama significantly less so. And, for the most part… that’s overall
the case! Amazon’s version of The Boys is a lot more
compelling as a story, features characters who feel like characters and has a clever,
twisty story to tell that also pulls off an above average pitch-black R-rated humor version
of it’s (admittedly also pared-down, notably-simplified) riff on the core concept i.e. “What if superheroes were reckless overpowered
assholes who caused more damage than they were worth and guys like Lex Luthor who mainly
existed to be pains in their ass are actually protecting the rest of us?” Jack Quaid makes a cool lead as an everyman
who awkwardly hooks up with “The Boys” to get revenge after his girlfriend is killed
as collateral damage by the careless actions of a member of a corporate-backed Justice
League/Avengers/etc pastiche called The Seven, Erin Moriarity is said superteam’s idealistic-but-rapidly-having-it-beat-out-of-her new recruit who also starts dating Quaid without either initially being aware of the other’s
secret day job; and Karl Urban shows up to steal the show as “Karl Urban playing The
Karl Urban Role from every project Karl Urban turns up in” – the grumpy jaded roughneck
killer who shoots guns well and makes exposition sound cool. It’s impressive looking, it’s funny, well
cast, just nasty enough, the gags are solid, it doesn’t wear out it’s welcome, etc
etc this isn’t really a “review” but I liked it and I’ll watch Season 2, sure. That said, I was left with a persistent nagging
impression that while I was enjoying The Boys more than I expected to, what I was watching
was also consistently just not as good as it should be: Cutting but not sharp enough,
naughty but not really dirty, creepy but not really dark and punchy without ever really
being as brutal or even as… well, mean as it seems to think (and keeps insisting) that
it was. I don’t know that it really landed until a
moment midway into the first half where Quaid’s character “Hughie” briefly returns home and
we see his bedroom for the first time and that it’s full of superhero merchandise – meaning
he used to be a seven fanboy – and in a fit of rage he trashes the place. It’s meant to be the dark version of a “come
to Jesus” moment, since he’s our point of view character and his personal journey of
adopting The Boys’ (the teams’) through-the-looking-glass view if superheroes as a shitty force for
evil and disorder in the world over that of the “naive” hero-loving public is meant to
be a mirror of our being taught a lesson about how dumb tasteless we’re suppose to be as an audience for watching corny formulaic Marvel movies or whatever by our watching of The Boys (the show.) But it didn’t really “land” for me as much
beyond recognizing the symbolic intent of “Yeah, that makes thematic sense.” And having thought on it the reason I think
the satirical part just doesn’t connect despite being coherent and the rest of
it being otherwise well made and acted is that it’s curiously detached from any kind
of topicality to match the edge it’s aiming for; as if even though The Boys has gladly
thrown out a lot of the storyline, backstory and characterizations of the almost decade-old
source material… it’s sense of humor and sociopolitical radar for satire is still profoundly arrested near the turn of the millennium if not earlier – regarding both the real world and the comic book world. The comic book side probably represents the
most missed opportunity especially, since if nothing else it feels like the reason to do this property
would be to deliver the nasty jokes at the expense of the genre Disney and Warner Bros
won’t do and Deadpool can only do once every few years. And while The Boys has funny jokes, it’s an
early not-great sign that they don’t seem to have updated the reference book to mock
the present state of the genre’s world-dominating stature:
Theres a season-length running joke at the expense of how much (well deserved because
he’s an asshole) abuse can be dumped on The Seven’s Aquaman stand-in, all premised on
the old jokes about how no one likes Aquaman because he’s a dorky hero who talks to fish and isn’t that silly. Which is an… interesting place to go for parody considering this character he’s been rebooted into a buff badass with the biggest box-office in the
DC Universe. Same deal with a subplot about Moriarty’s
character “Starlight” arguing with the corporation about changing her costume from
sort of a “Bibleman” version of She-Ra into a more sexed-up version which… works in the story but is presented in a way
that keeps elbowing the audience in the ribs like “Whoa! Hey, did you notice that they draw the girl
superheroes to show a lot more of skin than the guys? That’s kinda funny, right???” as though the writers
have made a profound discovery about comic book tropes and they’re desperately excited
to point it out and “take the genre down a peg!” and it’s like… guys, okay but…
the absurdity-of-sexy-costumes thing was a joke they were doing in Supergirl… when
it was still on CBS. I mean, it would almost be more “edgy”
if they were telling her her normal costume was too sexy or having some parody of the
current back and forth debate in comics aesthetic about objectification and male gaze versus
genuine empowerment and sexual agency but that wouldn’t fit with the ultimately underdeveloped
sideplot of the corporation positioning The Seven as an implicitly Christian God-ordained
enterprise…which as it is already feels thematically out of step with the aesthetic
dimension of the satire: Sure, the abject absurdity of the Evangelical
entertainment subculture is easy picking for laughs and it always has been, but let’s get real here – the obvious go-to reference for the “big joke” of a powerful multinational corporation that
produces superhero movies, toys, merch and comics also being a looming threat to global
safety and life on Earth itself because they also own the actual superheroes they’re
licensing is clearly… and The Disney/Marvel Cinematic Universe Pop-Culture Monopoly isn’t scary (even if
you enjoy the movies) because it’s part of or even similar to the relative “niche”
that is the American Evangelical Far-Right – Disney is scary because they’ve managed
to generate their own quasi-spiritual yet secular feel-good poptimist/hopepunk consumer-identity that’s at once outwardly-progressive yet market-driven that functions like a religion
but much more broadly and self-sustainingly. In other words: You shouldn’t worry that
Mickey Mouse and Queen Elsa are pop up onscreen one day like “Hey kids! Our friend Jesus says it’s time to take up
arms and overthrow the government!” …you should worry that they wouldn’t need to
mention that third guy. Which is why, while it’s a fun character
and a good (possibly starmaking) performance from Anthony Starr… the most dated “What
is this, 1997?” set of jokes in the show is Homelander (the evil Superman/Captain America
hybrid leader of The Seven) being a hypocritical but enthusiastically performative right-wing
jingoistic all-American traditional (in his own words) “John Wayne” type; with the show playing
it straight that an otherwise familiar modern world would “buy into” this… even as reality
has told us that the audience Homelander describes as “My people” at one point these days
are more into a dude whose got more of an… “Edward Blake The Comedian” energy. Yes, fine, it’s setting up a “Bush uses
9/11 and lies about WMD to go into Iraq” analogy as the big bad guy conspiracy plot
(like I said it really does feel like they wrote this a decade ago and didn’t update
any of their reference points or metaphors) but like… America actually did take a box-office “vote”
on its preference for “I’m still scared about terrorism give me an escapist fantasy
about beating it superhero” and he wasn’t John Wayne. “Clearly.” So yeah…I like the show. I think it’s got a lot of potential. I really enjoyed it and the way it wrapped up was very interesting. But, I feel like it’s missing
an opportunity by focusing it’s guns on too many of yesterday’s targets. Also, it’s weird that The Boys is a lot more about the heroes than it is about the boys. But, that probably an artifact of adaptation for TV. But it does, like I said wrapped up in a way I won’t spoil but suggests they’re going to keep diverging
from the source so maybe they’ve got something really big up their sleeves. Hopefully, so more current-minded bite to
the writing is part of it – because I really do want to like this more than I did. I’m Bob and that’s The Big Picture.

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  1. Marvel already made a series of comics with the premise that heroes are (almost) all assholes. It's called the Marvel Ultimate Universe.

  2. Dude, dude, DUDE! Hughie trashing his room with superhero merchandise works because the superhero he used to admire was precisely the one that..

    checks notes


  3. While I think you're confusing the intent of the series to be a Superhero satire like the comic when really it's a more of a critique on celebrity, one thing I do agree with is how they portrayed the Homelander's public persona.

    It feels like it would fit a Bush era America rather than now. I think he'd be more relevant if he was more focused on either creating a multinational police state to prevent mass shootings or border security.

    Besides that though, he was an excellent character and Anthony Starr performed the role brilliantly.

  4. So, like…this may just be me but I'm really disinterested in the boys because I feel like the only good "what if superheroes but for real" setting is Aberrant, a game only I know exists.

  5. Bob you entirely missed the whole point of the show. The shows not dunking on the super hero genre the show is dunking on the rich and powerful.

    The show didn’t dunk on that guy the whole season because he was aqua man the show dunked on him because he was Harvey Weinstein. So yes the show is current because we need a story where those guys don’t get a happy ending.

  6. If The Boys were out of date, the public would not be reacting to it the way they are. The problem with interpretive criticism is its blindness to all the other things people read in a TV show.

  7. If anyone wants a story about Lex Luthor being right about not trusting the Boy Scout From Krypton, check out a webcomic called Edison Rex.  It's a little uneven, but overall good read so far.

  8. Good thoughts. I thought the same about the Aquaman jokes. I feel like it would be more than a little laughable for an Amazon produced show to take pot shots at Disney though.

  9. Honestly, after Watchmen, Kick-Ass, Mystery Men, Deadpool, and a few other superhero parody/satires, I can't get myself excited for another one

  10. I feel it still holds up somewhat, because how it satirizes corporate treatment of superheroes- the typical satire of superheroes like itself and the resulting alternative- can be interpreted as a attack on itself, like how "The Boys" were still just as impractical as the superheroes or how Butcher's hatred of capes can in and out of it itself be a criticism of the writer's attitude toward superheroes as well. I think the lacking parts of it is mainly due to how some of it's been done beforehand and in addition to how it has to justify things on why superheroes don't work as much as stories who do.

  11. I do not get the point of these videos. Is he trying to prove how smart he is by saying things don't meet his refined taste? the whole thing just comes off as pointless and pathetic to me.
    Why should I give a shit about Moviebob's opinion? genuinely asking.

  12. I thought the point they were making about starlight's costume wasn't just "look at this discrepancy between the depiction of men and women."

    I thought it was pointing out that those discrepancies weren't just a cute little bit of the regressive attitudes of the old comic comics. I thought they were saying that it's not OK to just grandfather these depictions in to modern media with a wink because we all understand that they're out of date and not to be taken seriously. The show seemed to be saying that these old depictions, and how these depictions are commercialised, were not harmless, but were in fact intimately bound up in some of the worst predatory behavior that too many real women still face today.

    Not on point anymore, really liked how they depicted the Deep, who committed (if I'm remembering correctly) the most flagrant abuse of Starlight as having redeeming qualities. Kind of sent the message that it was a horrible injustice for him to suffer at first no, and then only mild consequences, but it was still not an act of justice for him to suffer his own unrelated abuse. It was a further injustice. The show as a whole seemed to be showing that punitive justice/revenge was destructive and at best not much better than no justice. It contrasted this with tiny glimpses of positive outcomes for people who sought more compassionate/restorative justice.

  13. Glad you addressed it cause whenever I hear about how this show "cutting-edge" and 'bleeding satire", I can't help but flash back to David Cage hyping up a crowd for his new game, and then dropping the bomb: "What if robots…looked like humans…and THOUGHT LIKE HUMANS?!" in 2017 when he unveiled Detroit: Become Human. Whatever you think of the game, the idea of that notion being the MIND-BLOWN that he wanted it to be is about as laughable as someone telling telling me with a straight face: "What if Superman…BUT EVIL?!"

    And this isn't gatekeeping, this isn't me saying "If you haven't read 100 issues of Silver Age comics, you have no right to criticize the art," but it IS me saying if you WANT to criticize the form as a whole (it's too derivative. The ladies are drawn embarrassingly. Etc) framing it as if 2019 was the first time anyone asked that question is disingenuous and ignorant. Quite frankly I like Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe (same concept as The Boys, just liscened) better conceptually, and in execution, than The Boys. At least from a writing perspective.

  14. Here's another thing. I'm 40. I still like seeing shit from the 80s satirized. Once you hit a certain age, trending topics don't really mean shit to you anymore. Leave that for the people who still haven't grown into an attention span.

  15. The show felt weirdly dated, like it was heavily inspired by cultural elements from two different time periods. 9/11 seemed to be very fresh and relatively recent in the writers minds (and in their expectations of their audience's feelings about it). It also seemed to be taking place in a time period where gay marriage was still a hot debate topic in the public and political landscape. Those both peg the story to the mid-to-late 00's. But then it also references and takes pot-shots at the popularity and ubiquity of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and superheroes as universally recognized pop-cultural money-making media icons. Which dates the writing to the late 2010's. Watching this show gave me era whiplash.

  16. Just when you thought the perpetually offended crown ran out of things to get offended about. Escapist and its parrot minions come in from out of nowhere with a video about how they're 'offended' about superhero satire. All because they can't accept that a little humor is good.

  17. The Boys was 10000000% better than the books and really only held back by the source material and lots of fun. But im really burned out on 2019s theme of Super Hero Nihilism. The Boys, Umbrella Academy, Deadly Class, Doom Patrol, the shittiness of Titans, and the HBO Watchmen at the end of the year, and to an extent Endgame. It is all kinda too much of a blow back to Marvel and DC at one time.

  18. Honestly, the one change the TV series made from the comic that I didn't like was updating the setting to the modern day. Had it been set in the early 00's the satire would've landed much better.

  19. don't talk about the Spider-Man deal because we all know you're going to side with Sony because of the Raimi movies, even thought Disney and Marvel Studios are responsible for Sony's most successful SpiderMan movie.

  20. Fuck. I'm glad I can just watch things without stripping them down to their component parts. I feel a little sorry for you.

  21. I was arguing for a Boys series circa 2009… when Simon pegg could have been Hughie and you could have got Tom Hardy for Butcher, Jesus Karl Urban’s accent is atrocious, I hope they do the Russia stuff and go harder on the violence and gore next session

  22. If you’ve ever seen watchmen, kick ass, wanted, and the hundred other “subversive” takes on super heroes then the boys isn’t all that impressive.

  23. Yeeeaah, seems exactly like the kind of thing I would hate. GrImM DaHrK for the sake of it, cynicism for cynicism's sake, gore and 'oh aren't we sooooo eeeedgy' jokes that don't actually mean anything. Watchmen if you took all the complexity out of it and just did a "ZOMG guuuuys! What if superheroes were actually assholes?" that is nowhere NEAR as mind-blowingly ground breaking as hack writers think it is.

  24. Although The Boys is okay it suffered from the same problems as most "satire" does now. It's "commentary" while funny sometimes just comes off as too mean spirited and unwarranted as a lot of satire and deconstruction does in modern media. It comes with the approach that the people who like the super heroes are a bunch of "stupid braying sheeple" and The Boys are the only ones who "see the real world as the miserable place it is". That's because it's easier to write everyone around a character to be "stupid" than to write an intelligent nuanced character.

  25. As an example of how media landscape has changed: Professor Thorgi described Homelander as "what if All Might was a sociopath?" not Superman, All Might from My Hero Academia; we've come to the point where evil Superman si so common we got to look for a ripoff from another country for an icon

  26. I feel like me and Bob watched two completely different shows. Seriously, view Vought as the real villain and then you might notice a few things about the characters.

  27. Nothing topical? Really? Commenter Matt gave you about a half dozen, but no, you're probably right, the writers just forgot to update it in any way. Real insightful stuff there, Bob.

  28. A part of me feels like they should’ve changed the angle where it’s like a cross between the avengers and justice league for satire.

  29. I would agree with the part how if they are gonna satirize Disney, it shouldn’t be about how they are caught up with right-wing evangelicals manipulating everyone, but with how progressive ideas have become commodified and they are only shown in so far as they are marketable rather than looking towards any systemic problems

  30. I would agree with part about Americans when wanting a ‘no non-sense type person who can kick some terrorist ass’ would be exemplified differently. Like the homelander in the tv show shows this Christain wholesome image who people want to act like John Wayne, yet people today actually prefer a sociopathic who at times rarely makes much effort to look wholesome, hence Donald trump. I also like the reference to watchmen because people always misunderstand the concepts around Rorschach and the comedian. They see them as these flawed and dark yet heroic people, yet the point was that these were not good people and frankly both have some pretty Fascist viewpoints that frankly we wouldn’t want around as hero’s are with unlimited power.

  31. To me, the outdated perspective didn't seem like a fault- It's just a very recent period piece. A snapshot of a time period I grew through without conscientiously participating in.

  32. You seem to only get the jokes on a surface level. Maybe you’ve only watched the first few episodes.

    The Boys is fairly explicitly about celebrity culture, but it goes deeper than most films. Your thing against the skimpy costume “joke” makes sense on a surface level, but then unlike anything else I’ve seen, including Supergirl, The Boys follows through and Starlight goes with the costume when she doesn’t want to. She becomes a corporate image due to having to make unwelcome changes in her life. She gets raped by a superior, when it turns out that nobody likes Aquaman and she didn’t actually have to. Sure Aquaman starts out as a sad unfunny joke, but then there’s that bit of turnaround when he gets raped and tortured by a fan. Him shaving himself bald is meaningless except to him, but is probably setting up a redemption arc where he gives up on his public image and set about trying to better himself for his own benefit. But then, all of that stuff with Starlight is used for buildup for something I haven’t seen covered in any fiction: The Me Too movement, Starlight coming out, and how that affects her life.

    As for Vought, it turns out that they might be greedy and all, but the only actual villain is Homelander. He’s the one that’s actually doing all the psychopathical stuff, against orders, and ends up killing the leadership of Vought to set up for season 2, where bad stuff is set up to happen.

    Here’s the other thing: not all heroes are Vought heroes. Vought doesn’t directly support Christian activist groups, except for where the image they want to give a hero seems to match up. They’re trying to build up Starlight’s lore / image, and don’t care about her as a person.

    Vought isn’t set up like Disney, because Disney is too big to fail. Sure, Vought has it’s own identity, but Season 2 is likely going to have to be about Vought fracturing, with the leaders dead, and how the corporate giant is actually a good thing.

    Your review is very surface level. The Boys is about how the surface level interpretation isn’t actually always the truth. It’s about how people and companies both have depth. There’s always a “yes, but…” moment. While the “superheroes” sometimes do bad stuff, they all have redeeming and humanizing points about them, except for homelander, who while set up as a straight-up hero, at least in the initial Billy Butcher exposition at the club in episode 1, turns out to be a psychopath.

  33. Show content creators trying to seem hip with the target crowd they think will make up most of the viewers? Nah, never happens!

  34. I know this isn't 10th grade English so maybe the trashing of his room was due to the fact he is deep into this group to avenge his girlfriends death, then when he got he was reminded of all of that due to his room being plastered by merchandise from the people reasonable for it. There doesn't have to be a deeper meaning to every single scene in TV/Movies and I feel that critics need to step back once and awhile and realize this.

  35. Another empty review I wish I never watched… it's too bad I can't unsub from BoB…. I only sub for Zero Punctuation yet this garbage pops up on my recommendation list

  36. I seriously fucking hate The Boys. Seriously. It's message is stupid and metaphors are shallow. Edit together Watchmen, any superhero porn parody and an Alex Jones podcast BOOM! You have this low hanging fruit. Everything you think The Boys is doing right was done better and first in Preacher.

  37. You know why they didnt make it about today's issues? Because it would be a massive clusterfuck. Politically, the good guys are annoying insufferable nerds and the bad guys have actual charisma and likability in the modern age

  38. This is one of the worst takes I've ever heard about…maybe anything. You completely missed the point of the show, dude.

  39. ☼ All i saw was critique of industry, Hollywood first, then general. And it is still far better than a lot of things we are offered. The "critique of hero genre" analysis you see everywhere – despite the original comic – im not sure is really there. Bc is is made by industry Hollywood. It is more about people who make super hero films, even if unconsciously. & the corporation doesnt give orders, they give studio notes. & negotiate payscale for appearances.

  40. In a world where a business tycoon con man became president on his mostly fictional business acumen (assuming you leave aside gerrymandering, media favoritism, and election meddling) and now presents himself to his demographic as a tough-guy hybrid of Jesus, captain America, and Rambo while enriching himself and his wealthy and powerful buddies and, worse still, brutalizing and demonizing the innocent… I don't think homelander is off the mark at all. He's simply not a send up of Superman anymore. The analogy certainly isn't perfect, especially given the government backing the (very literal) anti-heroes, but the satire still feels pretty clear to me (and MANY others to boot). So I think, maybe, just this once, it's more than just the surface level elements it's selling itself with. Honestly, I think they chose the superhero/military-black-ops/Lethal Weapon aesthetic of their source material for the sole purpose of tricking those otherwise close-minded right-wingers to watch in hopes that the real message of the satire sinks in. Just my interpretation, but I think on this one Bob, you missed the big picture.

  41. sorry Bob, but you are quite alone with this unpopular opinion 😉 and maybe even wrong, I'm still more afraid of a christian extremists shooting up a mall, then mr. mouse or elsa taking over the world, also this series was more of a capitalist criticism then a superhero mcu or what ever, you should go easy on your media goggles, because the last time I checked, capitalism is what is really killing the world

  42. It worked because right wing anti gay Christianity = bad is more understandable and quickly identifiable than corporate greed and standard indifference

  43. The point you made at around the 4 minute mark really resonated with me the most, it just all feels weirdly dated. Like a lot of the show felt like it would have worked better in the year 2001 but kind of just made me cringe now

  44. I'd love a character that's a progressive Christian in a piece of media like this trashing the asshole super right conservative Christians and calling out their bullshit and comparing them to the hypocritical self-righteous religious leaders Jesus couldn't stand and constantly opposed.
    To paraphrase Sandra and Woo: If Jesus was born today, a lot of the religious leaders today would call him a communist hippie.

  45. Those targets are still there. Also do you not realize Homelander doesn't have faith in God? It's just a tool to expand his influence.

  46. How did i miss this a week ago?

    Anyway i enjoyed it too and agree with you on all your points. I really like that beyond the initial ribbing at the Aquaman character for being a useless character they really didn't focus on that aspect of him all that much, his main purpose in the storyline and the main catalyst for his fall from grace wasn't because of his similarities to aquaman and "aquaman is useless" satire but because of the sexual assault against Starlighter.

    sure they had the weird thing with the dolphin but none of that really mattered the reason he was sidelined was because of the sexual assault. Personally i could have done without the scene that he himself gets sexually assaulted, but i can see what they were going for and it was part of his comeuppance but it was a bit too explicit and they only really got away with it because it was only something that could have happened to him with his unique anatomy. But props to the actor he really sold it, it was quite the uncomfortable scene.

  47. I don't know how you can think the threats in The Boys aren't still around. The Rich and Famous have been getting away with murder since the concept of the Upper Class was invented.

    I don't even like the show (too much like every woodchipper scene in a black comedy ever) That joke has only ever landed twice for me. The rest of the time it just feels meanspirited and squirmey. But I might feel ill watching the show, but even I have to admit, it's threats are probably still around. Maybe the names and faces have changed slightly these days, but that shouldn't make it any less obvious what's being criticized unless you're a massive literalist. Same car different paint job. Still does the same things, often for the same reasons.

  48. I love Disney and see nothing wrong with the Company !

    Mickey Mouse and Elsa is a much more pleasant alternative than Jesus.

    And also while Disney is clearly Capitalist.

    Capitalissm in it self not a bad ! In fact i think Capitalissm is quite a good thing.

    And Disney stiil is progresive anyway. So i see no problem really.

  49. Instead of being scared of Disney which is kind of silly. You should probably be scared of Garth Ennis himself instead since he seems like a really fucked up dude !

  50. Bob while your points are valid the problem is that is what the comic was based off and about. I think the writers did improve on the comic but couldn’t diverge too much or it wouldn’t be the boys. I think they did about the best with what they had the comic has a great premise but just ended up in comic troupes and I hope they don’t go down the clone story arc

  51. Laughing my ass off at all the edgy kids in the comments trying to justify this pathetic waste of a time slot. It's just a show about "superhero collateral" and "misuse of superpowers oh no". Like, y'know, what WatchMen did, but too late too matter.
    This extended Seth MacFarlane skit THINKS it's being clever and subversive, when really it's just treading ground that both DC and the MCU have already done with BTS and Civil War with the Sokovia Accords. Shit, Pixar's the Incredibles did it a decade earlier in it's first 20 minutes!
    I can't take this show seriously!

  52. I wasn't sold on why the superheros were subservant to the corporation. There was one line about they are the ones that sign our check. Buut they are super powerfully they could get or take whatever they want. It seems like a missed opportunity because they should have wanted and needed the affection and notiraty of the public . Something only the PR of the corporation could offer. It was a really big missed opportunity

  53. I do agree, some of the material was dated. I would argue the way it was presented fit a modern world. Perfect? Lord no. But very Entertaining. If you had never seen the source material, I would wager its even better(less the references and meanings you mentioned). Overall I enjoyed it, and I hope season two overshadows season one. It deserves that much.

  54. Super-heroes are already retarded woke propaganda, and they tried to outwoke the wokes, in a neverending bog of political self-pity.

  55. There has never been a better time for The Boys to come into the light.
    With all the superhero movies and the super hero craze having just reached its climax with Endgame, the timing is pretty good, not great… but good.

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