Sony Picture Profiles & Dynamic Range Guide (Cine vs S-Log vs HLG)

Sony Picture Profiles & Dynamic Range Guide (Cine vs S-Log vs HLG)

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  1. Awesome video, thank you! Just starting to play around with the video capabilities of my Sony and this helped a lot… in fact it was so good, I hit the like button twice 😜

  2. What would you say is the best picture profile for shooting long movies e.g. weddings without any need for LUTS/grading?

  3. Excellent approach that finally visualizes the difference between cine 2 and 4, as well as rhe others.

    Since premiere automatically converts bt2020 to rec709, it would be nice to know what would the smart way to do that in Resolve 15, which does not auto convert the colorspace.. There are some luts for that but some insight for that would be nice. Thanks a lot for the video!

  4. Regarding HLG colour space.
    "As the name suggests HLG is a hybrid gamma curve. It is a hybrid of Rec-709 and Log. But before you get all excited by the log part, the log used by HLG is only a small part of the curve and it is very agressive – it crams a very big dynamic range into a very small space – This means that if you take it into post production and start to fiddle around with it there is a very high probability of problems with banding and other similar artefacts becoming apparent."

    More info here:
    http://www.xdcam-user.com/2017/07/what-is-hlg-and-what-is-it-supposed-to-be-used-for/

  5. Dude. You're Real Deal Holyfield, man. Thank you so much for this. I'mma name a kid or at least a pet after you, brother.

  6. got the Leeming LUTs because of this video or the HLG video and all I can say is …WOW so nice and subtle corrections for color accuracy.

  7. Damn! I own my Sony Camera for about half a year now so Lets say Im a Beginner In Photo/Video world so I spend A lot of time on Youtube. Daily watching All kind of Videos and Youtubers, educate myself and trying to understand how the things works and know how to use full potential of my camera. But Lets be honest. Your 16 minutes video was pure Education, Explanation, Comparison the way beginner as me been able to understand and I feel Like my knowledge about Sony Video in those 16 minutes Raised as much as countless minutes of videos in Past half a year! Im not subscribing Any of Photo/Video youtubers not even Peter McKinnon ( Although love his videos ) but Im clicking subscribe here straight way! For Pure information the way you presented it. Thank you so Much!

  8. If I'm not mistaken, Cine 2 is designed for well lit settings which unlike Cine 1, the highlights are capped at 100%. Perfect for your traditional broadcast. The Cine 4 curve is designed for lowlight, and the shape of the gamma curve shows it is allocating more data and contrast to the shadows than the cine 2 curve. Is your opinion based on the argument that you'll just be crushing those blacks anyways?

  9. How long have you been posting on Youtube? I’m surprised I never saw your vids before when they’re all so high quality. Subbed a new channel since a long time.

  10. Awesome video. I've watched and cataloged quite a few others and none of them went into this much detail and comparisons, which I appreciate a lot! Thanks!!!

  11. IMO, Gerald is underappreciated because his so technical and mostly YouTubers can't relate to it. But content wise his one of the Bests.

  12. I don't have HLG on my A7SII so I have been switching between Cine 2 and SLog2 but typically just stick with log. Great video.

  13. S Log 2 and 3 both have 14 stops of DR – your 'Dot Chart' is inadequate for this 'scientific' test as it doesn't even have enough range to fully test S Log.
    Secondly, S Log 2 is recommended for 8 bit and with Slog2 you won't have noise issues if you grade it properly dude, slog3 will cause banding with 8 bit cameras.

    Thirdly – Sgamut for slog2 is much better to grade with and gives so much more flexibility in terms of rectifying Sony's colour – which is needed. Would have been nice if you acknowledged these points if you were going to seriously compare the PP's.

    Oh, also your last point about adjusting knee settings being useless, I used to shoot Cine4 and I could get almost 14 stops of DR out it by adjusting the knee settings – so you're mistaken there also. I think, from memory, for any reading, I would set the knee to 90 and adjust to +2. Play around and you can watch the highlights range extend like 2-3 stops.

  14. Kinda new to your channel so not sure if you solely a Sony guy but I'd love to see an autofocus speed & accuracy test of a Sony camera (preferably A7III) with adapter and Canon EF lens versus a Canon R with adapted Canon EF lens. I'm interested to know how much better if at all the Canon performs.

  15. hi raw still shooter here looking to get the flattest profile for raw sensor capture so I get accurate Histogram/Zebras I know Histogram based on Jpeg preview but if you have any ideas please let me know thank – great video btw

  16. Thank you so much for those in depth review… you just confirmed what I was always guessing but not really knowing.

  17. I recently filmed a short film on my toddler and used Cine 2 with -7 detail thanks to your recommendation. Will be done soon, its looking good even if i do say so myself; would love to send you the link to it 🙂

  18. That was fantastic Gerald. Best explanation of choices I have come across. I'm now a subscriber. Looking forward to more of your perspectives.

  19. Man oh man, Gerald, you do such a great job… and I know I say this with pretty much every video, but you do!

    I’ll have to go through this again, and I have Caleb Pike’s a7III video tutorial, so I’ll compare the two. The problem is there are simply (or unsimply) too many options. You can lose your mind overthinking all of this. Yet, I want to master the ability to shoot for a specific look which I may want to create and that takes a lot of garbage footage and weeks to months of editing, tweaking trying LUTs and failing a lot before you find your way to becoming comfortable with what options are viable. I’m getting old, and I don’t know if I have enough time to get a solid handle on it all!! Lol Regardless, Thank you for this…. HLG3 for now. But what PP# is that? … no worries. I’ll find it! 🙂 👍 Cheers!!

  20. You just gained a subscriber and a thumbs up. What an absolutely excellent video – so clear and so well demonstrated. I'm a new owner of an A6300 looking to find the most flexible settings for grading (and not really wanting to be forced into ISO800). This video was EXACTLY what I needed. Great delivery of quality information. Thanks and keep doing what you're doing!

  21. I Subscribed! Damn you're good…. I am gonna try to get you 100k subs:P

    Soon i will be shooting Real-Estate vids and i will be needing allot of dynamic range. Which pp would you prefer?
    Also do you sell luts for that profile?:)

    Thank you so much and keep up the good work buddy!:)

  22. Hi Gerald Great video .
    I have a question?
    I know you mostly do video profiles for vid’s
    I wanted if you can do colors for photography.
    Can you do one that can have the colors Science of like the Nikon Z6-7 colors for photography our Canon new mirrorless Cameras…Its hard to master the Sony a7iii to give a punchy color look for photography…
    I would much appreciate it..
    I notice no one who use the Sony a7iii or A7Riii don’t talk about it…

  23. brilliant video, really informative and helpful as fuck. but what about the Gamma do i keep it in auto?

  24. HI, overal superb channel, i am very glad that i found it as you are very informative! With all your knowledge could you make some videos about your camera recommendations in 2019? What would you buy and why? Let's say your top 5 cameras for photo and video?

  25. Does anyone know in which bit depth the picture profiles operate? Do they operate at the sensor output level (e.g. around 14 bit)? Or do they work "behind" the processing chain and only alter the 8 bit output file? If the first case is true, wouldn't in-camera-grading through picture profiles dramatically reduce banding and color artifacts compared to a normal LUT which works behind the 8 bit conversion? Does anybody know this?

  26. Hey Gerald, this is absolutely brilliant. Not sure how I managed to get by before subscribing to your channel. Question for you and anyone out there – I'm typically shooting S-Log / SGamut3.cine on my A7SII on an Atomos Ninja V, matching the picture profile from the camera on the Ninja V input settings. Works great. In low-light though, I would typically move to a Cine 4 profile, just changing S-Log 3 to Cine 4 on the A7SII PP8 (little trick coming from Marien Breithouwer http://www.marienho.com/). What would be the recommended input settings on the Ninja then? Same question if you use a Cine 2 / Pro combination. Thanks very much, and please keep us enlightened.

  27. So if I do not care about future proofing my videos or matching footage with others. Can I change it from BT2020 to Rec 709 in camera and not worry about anything?

  28. New subscriber, just want to say that your channel is the tits man the way you break it down is next level. keep up the good work sir.

  29. I've been looking a long time for an informative and straightforward video about pprofile of Sony a7 and this definitely nailed it. It's not about selling a LUT but real info on the picture profiles, thanks a lot, this made me hit the subs button.

  30. Great video, please help me out with this- i shoot on the sony a6300 mostly using cine4 (as it doesn't offer HLG), should i keep using the same PP in Low light situations or switch to some other?

  31. Hello, I bought the Leeming LUTs Pro. The LUT for HLG is just for HLG, do you think there will be a difference if I just use HLG3 instead of HLG?

  32. What are your opinions on EOSHD for sony cameras? I have them set up on my a6500 and rx100v but I don't know enough about the subject to have an educated opinion.

  33. Would be awesome if you made a video on which HLG profile produces the least to most noise and how exactly to reduce that noise. Your videos are always so unbelievably clean. Whenever I shoot in any of the HLG profiles I get a ton of noise, especially HLG3. I need Gerald Undone on this topic he's CRAZY!!!!!

  34. Hey Gerald, hope you’re doing well. I’m curious if you believe that you should still reduce sharpness in camera when using slow motion fps like 60-120fps
    Thanks for the great info as always

  35. Will you open with:Once such a booze has gone, cut the last cucumber
     "Раз пошла такая пьянка, режь последний огурец" (it means, to do something realy cool not paying attention to possible costs)

  36. Thank you so much for this, Gerald. I had spent well over an hour trying to find just this information by watching other youtube videos on the subject. I arrived at your channel feeling I'd been hit about the head with a rolled-up newspaper AND at the same time bored to the point of unconsciousness. You then answer the question and vastly expand my knowledge on this complex subject in a way that's totally engaging and witty. HLG3 way to go . . . . thanks, Gerald you are a STAR !!! (and also tx for Camera Conspiracies for recommending your channel)

  37. Awesome!
    If you included no picture profile as well, that would have been amazing.
    I only wish you discussed color issues also…
    Thank you!

  38. you have an uncanny knack of explaining the tech stuff very well and making it make it make sense. Thanks 👊

  39. Just got two of these cameras Gerald. This is an awesome video for reference on these aspects of them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

  40. Thanks a lot , I cant find HLG on my Sony A6500, set everything to Cine 2, Cinema Color and turned the Detail down to -7. Do I have to overexpose my video like its recommended for S-Log and can I use all the ISO available or is there a native I should stick in Cine 2? Hello from Berlin and again thanks a lot 👍🏻

  41. HLG doesn't have as much DR as Slog2 (or 3) and its terrible in low light. (lots of colour artefacts) So its not a winner for me.

  42. New to picture profiles here. Which profile would i want to work with when in dark lit areas with only artificial lights? Or better yet which profile to stay away from?

  43. I just bought an a7iii, coming from a Canon background I just can't find the things I would like to test by myself. This video is awesome, the amount of information given and the way you deliver makes your videos the best and you are a great teacher aswell! Now I just need to find where to change those settings 😂😂

  44. So on the BMPCC 4k and 6k, I've read that going higher on the ISO in bright situations gives better highlights. There are charts showing that more of the image is placed above middle grey with higher iso. Is this true on the A7iii as well?

  45. Hey Gerald! Thank you so much for this. You really put in the effort and we for sure appreciate your help brother. sorry for taking your time you already done a lot but can you tell me how to expose cine2? how much should i set my zebras? big hug :))

  46. Black Gamma-Level: This function lets you alter the shape of the selected gamma curve and adjust gradations in dark image areas. Setting it to +7 will give you much more shadowdetail… , which is often discussed here as being an issue, i wonder what your thoughts or what your results would be then : https://helpguide.sony.net/di/pp/v1/en/contents/TP0000909110.html

  47. What do I have to do to get your hair? And also, please make a video of an hlg3 / 2020 workflow to an hdr youtube upload. I'm still trying to figure it out

  48. Awesome work, just one question, why didn't you test the native ISO of the profiles ( Slog native ISO is 2000 according to Sony).

  49. Hi Gerald! Have to ask why your Cine4 cuts at 100% when it actually goes to 110% (281)? Have you compensated for legal output or just cut at 255? This is what I like with Cine4, there is always a little extra in the highlights to save in editing.

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